Huge Financial Fail...Not Sure if Marriage Will Survive.

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  • The_DudeThe_Dude Hollywood Star LanesGold Men Posts: 4,583
    I think there's a lot of jumping to conclusions going on here. I wish @rgoltn‌ would spell out all the facts he has in detail. Otherwise there's going to be a lot of useless diversions.
    Changed_ManEinMan
  • al2682al2682 CheeseheadSilver Member Posts: 535
    edited March 2014
    You need to do two things for us to be able to help you the most.

    1) complete the triage. Link previous given.
    2) answer @The_Dude‌ questions about what facts you have about the affair.

    You can give us bits and pieces but then our advise is worth just that (bits and pieces).
    Saluki
  • rgoltnrgoltn NashVegasSilver Member Posts: 31
    Ok...I do not have a lot of facts.  I know she and EA were in contact for approx. 6 months before I found out one week ago.  He contacted her 3 times over weekend with blocked number.  That is when I came down hard and told her to stop 100%.  Since Saturday, I have monitored email, phone, text and FB.  I looked for a burner phone and found nothing.  I have not contacted him.

    Last two nights have revealed new sh*t that she had repressed.  It goes back to her as a kid and her dad who had a business which was up & down financially. It created an insecurity in her about money.  Her dad over years did stupid things regarding money that upset her mom and now at age 72, is bitter and angry at him as her life has not turned out like she had hoped.  Her mom is also passive aggressive and allowed her dad to over years to make decisions against her judgement, yet she did not say anything; if they failed he got blamed.  

    My wife sees me as him.  My path of ups & downs in startups and the failed business has created a sense that she married her dad; I am financially insecure and/or make bad decisions with money.  So, she thinks she will end up like her mom; bitter, angry and not living the life she wanted. I think she is also upset that she is like her mom, never really communicating her thoughts and concerns.  She has rewritten history to rationalize her narrative.

    I have been looking into my past and I realize she was reaching out and trying to say something.  I now know I missed the signals.  I  will work on the triage later.  
  • AlphaGuyAlphaGuy USASilver Member Posts: 313
    As they say Trust = Lust and right now she is not trusting that you will make the right decisions. Women are security seeking creatures. They want to know that they will be secure financially. It sounds like you've taken serious steps to rectify the situation but her hamster hasn't caught up to the reality of the situation yet, plus her having an affair, whether physical or not has put a fence between you too. 

    Look this is going to take a long time to unwind. I would say that you are looking at 6-12 months before trust is re-established and her feelings for the OM are completely gone. There will be lots of ups and downs. I would spend a lot of time reading Athol's books, his blog and also checking out other resources. Also, a good marriage counselor can help you through this, but your priority right now is to make sure she isn't contacting the OM.

    You never answered the question if the OM has a wife? Contacting her usually puts a dead stop to the affair.
  • rgoltnrgoltn NashVegasSilver Member Posts: 31
    No wife.
  • EinManEinMan Silver Member Posts: 638
    This is good that it's out. The same thing happened to my friend and I could understand her fear. Now you get the chance to tell and show her that things are actually good and going in a good direction.  I was able to prove to my wife that things weren't all bad, that we're actually quite secure. Her mind had been telling her otherwise.
    rgoltn said:

    Last two nights have revealed new sh*t that she had repressed.  It goes back to her as a kid and her dad who had a business which was up & down financially. It created an insecurity in her about money.  Her dad over years did stupid things regarding money that upset her mom and now at age 72, is bitter and angry at him as her life has not turned out like she had hoped.  Her mom is also passive aggressive and allowed her dad to over years to make decisions against her judgement, yet she did not say anything; if they failed he got blamed.  

    My wife sees me as him.  My path of ups & downs in startups and the failed business has created a sense that she married her dad; I am financially insecure and/or make bad decisions with money.  So, she thinks she will end up like her mom; bitter, angry and not living the life she wanted. I think she is also upset that she is like her mom, never really communicating her thoughts and concerns.  She has rewritten history to rationalize her narrative.

    I have been looking into my past and I realize she was reaching out and trying to say something.  I now know I missed the signals.  I  will work on the triage later.  

    Angelinergoltn
  • AngelineAngeline planting seedsCategory Moderator** Posts: 14,500
    Sounds like you guys gave a good therapist. I hope that + MMSL proves helpful.
    "Speak your truth." - Scarlet
    Remember to play!
    Do the right thing, whether anyone is watching or not.
    Be married, until you are not.

    Email address: angeline.greenwood@att.net
    JellyBean
  • Changed_ManChanged_Man ChicagolandSilver Member Posts: 1,965
    Still waiting on a triage...

    When push comes to shove, you taste what you're made of. You might bend til you break, cause it's all you can take. On your knees you look up, decide you've had enough. You get mad, you get strong, wipe your hands, shake it off... And you stand!

    "Stand" by Rascal Flatts


    AlphaGuyTheSuperRedneck
  • Captain_HammerCaptain_Hammer Gold Men Posts: 462
    @AlphaGuy I have to question the "Trust = Lust" idea. An ex took of with a total douche, no money, big party boy, big player and she knew this, she wouldnt have trusted him with a dollar, so maybe this is not essential?
    Dod
  • AngelineAngeline planting seedsCategory Moderator** Posts: 14,500
    @Captain_Hammer‌ - if she's getting funding somewhere else, it doesn't matter if Boy Toy has income or not.
    "Speak your truth." - Scarlet
    Remember to play!
    Do the right thing, whether anyone is watching or not.
    Be married, until you are not.

    Email address: angeline.greenwood@att.net
  • AlphaGuyAlphaGuy USASilver Member Posts: 313
    @AlphaGuy I have to question the "Trust = Lust" idea. An ex took of with a total douche, no money, big party boy, big player and she knew this, she wouldnt have trusted him with a dollar, so maybe this is not essential?
    That's Dopamine talking. For an LTR, trust is essential.
  • CrashaxeCrashaxe Partytown, which is wherever I am.Gold Men Posts: 1,243
    @rgoltn DO THE TRIAGE!!!

    You telling us about what the marital counselor has to say about her anger and her daddy issues is like you telling us you have a severed artery you are about to bleed out from and then instead of giving us the details about the artery so we can tell you how to stop the bleeding, you insist on discussing a hangnail you have.

    in addition to doing the triage, tell us everything you know, and everything you have been told about the other man, and the affair. Leave no detail out. Realize that what you have been told is not necessarily the truth. also tell us how long the phone calls that she recently received from the other man were in duration, how you found out about them, and what your wife's reaction was when you confronted her about them. Also confirm that she took the calls after after you Option A/Bed her?

    Until you do the triage and give details of the affair, WE CAN'T HELP YOU.

    Time is extremely critical, just as if you did have a severed artery!!!

    “I’m going to plead with you, do not cross us. Because if you do, the survivors will write about what we do here for 10,000 years.” General James Mattis, USMC

  • rgoltnrgoltn NashVegasSilver Member Posts: 31
    I am back online....Sorry.  We left for a 5 day vacation in FL with our daughter and a friend.  I had thought about not going, but decided to go anyway.  I am glad I did.  We had a great time and had sex twice plus a nice BJ.  It was challenging with two teenagers sleeping in the next room on a sofa bed in our suite, but it was very good.  I know I owe you a triage and I will get it done in the next day.
    Angeline
  • rgoltnrgoltn NashVegasSilver Member Posts: 31
    My Triage...

    Question One – Rule Out Medical

    ·         No physical ailments > Wife in great shape and does not have to exercise much.  She does not look her age at 47.

    ·         Takes Antidepressant Wellbutrin > Been on for 5+ years.  Sex life has not been affected by usage.

    ·         Last 6 months > Been taking sleep medication Ambien.  She knows it is an issue and has been trying to wean herself off.  She has not been able to fully quit taking it.

    ·         She feels that she is getting old.  Her body is changing and she knows it.  She had a minor procedure last month and she knows Menopause is around the corner as it had to do with her "female parts." It has provided another data point that she is closing in on 50.

    ·         She has booked an appointment with her Dr. to have blood work taken to check hormones. I am researching which tests she should take.

    ·         She is emotionally and physically drained.  She does not know why.  She is looking at a new exercise regime and working on eating healthier.

    Question Two – Rule Out Structural Attraction Issues

    ·         Structural Attraction Issue #1 – I have had a number of positions with small, $20M - $150M tech start-ups.  Since 2003, I served in numerous COO, VP and Executive positions.  While my total annual income ranged between $150k - $225k given options, bonuses etc. the ups & downs of risky companies took their toll on her.  She was always supportive of me pursuing these roles since she had a big-company job.  However, I now know that it created security issues with her that I was not financially stable and she could not depend on me.  I have been an executive with a $1B company for the past three years and my career is the most stable it has ever been since 1999.

    ·         Structural Attraction Issue #2 – In 2005 I purchased a franchise business and launched it.  It was a side business; a passive-income stream and was growing and was close to really taking off until 2009 when the economy changed.  I should have just shut it down at that point, but I was hopeful I could make it work and sell it.  I did; five years too late.  Truth be told, it never really made money and became a personal and financial drain on me, especially in the last 3-4 years.  I sold it on March 7th, two days after I found out about her EA.

    ·         The debt from the failed business has been a tremendous issue with her and a source of her anger and resentment.  Her respect for me is weak around these two areas.

  • rgoltnrgoltn NashVegasSilver Member Posts: 31

    Question Three – Rule Out Critical Moments and Neglect

    ·         No cheating, no hitting, no physical abuse.  No public humiliation.

    ·         Critical Moment: 3.5 years ago, before counseling, we had a series of arguments over a 2-3 month period about her going out with her single friends.  There were a few “orbiters” and I became angry and frustrated.  This is when I read Athol’s book and started running a MAP.  We also sought marriage counseling and worked through our issues.  The business was one issue and we talked about its impact and the strain on us.  I started down the path of selling it afterwards.   

    ·         I have always given my wife attention > I am very affectionate and sexually playful.  Since I began running the MAP, I upped my game with her.  I often plant a 10 sec. kiss, grab her ass, slap her ass every so often and let her know she has a sexy bod.  I also love to play with her tits.  She has told me every once in a while that she does not like me “objectifying her.”  Yet, it is not common.  She has admitted many more times (yesterday in fact) that she enjoys my sexual banter and touching.  She even said that she felt sorry for some of her GFs who do not date at all and wonder when was the last time they were touched by a man. 

    Question Four – Rule Out Outside Sexual Sources

    ·         Emotional Affair - I recently found out that she had been talking with a guy on the phone for the last 6 months.  It was an emotional affair, although I know she was not looking for a guy to make her feel good.  When I confronted her, she had no problem dropping it.  I came down hard and told her to stop 100% or we had to have a different conversation.  She admitted that it was a symptom of her unhappiness and that she is not seeking to leave our marriage because she does not feel love or desire for me.  I believe it was her way of dealing with things; ignore, suppress and escape in order to not think about what is really bothering her.  She knows she lost my trust and is being 100% transparent now.

    ·         I have monitored her email, phone and FB since March 10th and I believe she has cut him off 100%.  While I am not 100% sure of this, I have searched her car and other areas for a second phone.  I have cross-referenced her phone and text activity against her schedule for work as she is in sales.  I have not come up with unexplained gaps in time.  I have not looked at her transactions from her second checking account.

    ·         I do not believe that my wife has ever sought sex outside of our marriage. 

  • rgoltnrgoltn NashVegasSilver Member Posts: 31

    Question Five – When Did the Sex Go Bad?

    ·         Sex life has been (and is) good.  We have sex 1-2 times a week.  During her monthly “period,” I routinely get a blow job or hand job.

    ·         Sex life tapered off briefly for 45 days recently and has resumed to 1-2 per week.  She had a procedure due to her becoming premenopausal in February.  The procedure was done right after her period and she could not have sex for 2.5 weeks afterwards.  When she was ready, we had sex, but she was scared how her body would react.  It took time for her to relax.  Then, I discovered her EA and the emotional situation began.

    ·         In the last two weeks, we are back to 1-2 per week.  She is not resisting my sexual banter and not resisting sex, however she physically is drained from the emotional stuff going on and her job.  We had sex numerous times while on vacation and her energy was high.

    Question Six – What Was the Sex Like at the Start of the Relationship?

    ·         We have been together for 22 years, married 19.  Sex has varied between excellent and often to slow periods of 1-2 a month.  Jobs, kids, careers etc. were drivers of the slow periods.  Overall, I would say that 80% of our marriage has been sexually strong.

    ·         We have always had sexual fun and have even experimented with sex toys.  I lead in the bedroom and she likes that.  She wants me to be dominant and in control

    ·         She has never had a sex drive like mine and before couples therapy 3.5 years ago, we had been in a slow cycle for a few months.  It was then when I became aware of the “red pill” and began reading blogs, Athol’s book and even other ones like “No More Mr. Nice Guy.”  I became intentional on increasing my Alpha and it worked.  She frequently comments about other men being feminine and thinks of me as being masculine.  We had sex recently and she commented on how fit, muscular and strong I felt.

  • AlphaGuyAlphaGuy USASilver Member Posts: 313
    @rgoltn - First thing for her is the anti-depressant is likely killing some desire. The Ambien is not helping. It's a well known fact. You need to have her hormone levels checked. My wife is on synthroid for a low functioning thyroid. They are constantly fiddling with the dosage. When it's right she is bright and cheery and lots of fun. When it's too low, bitch from hell that can't sleep, tired all the time. Also, where do you live? I live near Seattle and it is gloomy here 6 months a year so we do light therapy and lots of vitamin D3. Obviously, exercise is a huge boost for the sex drive. 

    Something is going on deep down for her to be depress and on Ambien. Has she seen a shrink?
  • The_DudeThe_Dude Hollywood Star LanesGold Men Posts: 4,583
    @AlphaGuy‌ Wellbutrin is not known to cause lower libido. That doesn't sound like his underlying problem anyway.
    JellyBean
  • The_DudeThe_Dude Hollywood Star LanesGold Men Posts: 4,583
    Not sure it's a problem but curious why she has a second checking bob account and you don't have visibility to it.
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