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  • fredlessfredless Silver Member Posts: 2,842
    If she is Borderline Personality Disorder, then nothing is going to improve her behavior except long-term psychotherapy (at least a year).  You should still Map because it's important to be awesome--just know that if you are correct in your assessment of your wife, it will have little impact on your wife's behaviors.
    frillyfun
  • Dragon72Dragon72 Mexico CityMember Posts: 77
    @frillyfun Yousaying there's a chance this can be salvaged with some dedicated MAPing. 

    My main Red is assertiveness.  I still feel like most of what I do is to try to avoid her disapproval/anger.  

    Consequently, I am a chore whore and keep asking her what she wants instead of telling her what *I* want.  However, recent attempts to assert myself and wriggle out from under her thumb have resulted in tantrums and passive aggression from her.  I have been riding them out recently and not letting it get under my skin.  Which is good.

    But it looks like that has made her resort to underhand means of undermining me, like accusing me of theft.  That, I'm afraid to say, has got under my skin and I'm not sure how it's going to play out.  
  • Dragon72Dragon72 Mexico CityMember Posts: 77
    I don't know, I'm heading home now after a very enjoyable afternoon running, then movie theater then watching the Olympics in a cafe.

    i know that was avoidant but I just needed to destress and I couldn't do that at home.
  • Dragon72Dragon72 Mexico CityMember Posts: 77
    She was just about to go to bed when I got back at 9pm.  I saw she had set up a TV in our son's room and it was on while our son had clearly fallen asleep in front of it as she was getting ready to climb into bed beside him. 

    It's really sad that our son's room is her cave where she hides away these days. And she's putting little creature comforts like the TV in this small room so that she doesn't have to come out so much.
  • Dragon72Dragon72 Mexico CityMember Posts: 77
    @frillyfun How do I go about setting up a consultation with AK?
    How much is that going to cost?  
    Then I need to figure out if/how I'm going to explain that to the Mrs.

  • Dragon72Dragon72 Mexico CityMember Posts: 77
    My wife and I are supposed to be going to one of her friends' (whom I don't know very well, but she's close to) baby shower this afternoon.  It's for couples, not just the ladies.

    I don't want to go, not only because I'm not a big fan of baby showers, but also because I don't think it's appropriate to go out socially with her after the way she has been lately.  I'll tell her to go while I look after the little one.  
    frillyfunJellyBean
  • Dragon72Dragon72 Mexico CityMember Posts: 77
    Are all her relationships unstable or just with you?
    Well, she doesn't have many friends and those she does she rarely sees, but then again, I don't think that's too out of the ordinary as her friends have busy lives with jobs and families. 
    She communicates daily, almost hourly by Whatsapp, with one of her sisters (older) who lives half a mile from us.  It's a very close relationship; for example, if we drive for an hour or so, my wife will immediately call her sister on arrival to say we've arrived safely.
    Being Mexican, her family really is the center of her world.
  • Dragon72Dragon72 Mexico CityMember Posts: 77
    I never hear about ex boyfriends except whenever I try to assert myself when she says that her exes never treated her with such disrespect.  To which I always feel like replying, "yeah, and where are they now?"
  • Dragon72Dragon72 Mexico CityMember Posts: 77
    So she's gone off to her friend's baby shower with our son, with no discussion by either of us as to whether or not I was going.  

    She has continued the grumpiness this morning.  Twice this morning she was silent when I asked her a question, and, when I asked again, she replied "Who are you talking to?", when clearly I was talking to her and not the toddler.  She did that twice.  I could have picked an argument by saying, "Don't be so rude!", but that would have resulted in "No-you're-the-rude-one" tennis and she was only doing it to get a rise out of me, so I refused to give her the pleasure and merely replied "I'm talking to you, obviously" in a non-offended tone. She's the one begging for confrontation.  If she wants to address an issue, she can do it in a non-PA way.

    As they left I cheerily wished them a fun time and reminded my wife that today is the one Saturday per month that our car is not allowed on the roads (as per Mexico City's anti-pollution regulations).  

    But she took the car anyway.  She will most likely get stopped by the police and face either the prospect of the car being impounded or, alternatively she'll bribe the cop with 50 dollars equivalent in cash, which seems to be the going rate.  Yes she has cash, I gave her a good amount this morning.  If she gets fined/pays a bribe, I'll dock it from the next time I give her money.

  • RebornReborn LondonGold Men Posts: 2,987
    I am going to go through a CBT workbook I have got on Assertiveness. 

    I recommend "When I say No I feel Guilty" by Smith. It has some good example conversations in it.
    Enneagram type 5 w6. 
    If I offer lots of advice, it's probably really me giving advice to myself. That always seems to happen. 
    RedPillRonLittlejoeMjolnir
  • Dragon72Dragon72 Mexico CityMember Posts: 77
    I'm back.

    So, it's been two or three weeks since my last post when I said I had a few monkeys to attack.

    I said:
    "I have been in touch with an attorney, so I need to have a meeting with him to explore my options."  I never got to that meeting as things were starting to thaw with my wife.  She actually started to talk to me and not always with a tone of contempt in her voice. So I put ideas of divorce on hold.  Still, I think I should at least find out what the options are - even if it will be a major hassle doing this without Mrs D knowing, and I think she shouldn't know, for now at least.

    "I must set up a budget for the family."  Yay! Small, nay big! victory for me.  I managed to wrestle back control of MY money and have set up a budget for the family.  However the budget displayed low value as I allocated a little more for her in terms of discretionary spending.  But, honestly, a woman's haircut does cost a lot more than mine...

    "I need to keep up my improvements to my frame maintenance. I'm doing very well staying positive in the face of her ladyship's obvious passive aggressive hostility." I was doing much better at this, maintaining a cheery disposition, even when she was being a grumpy cow, giving me the silent treatment and treating me like someone she hates.

    "I need to find some sort of thing or project to lead and drive to show that I have a purpose as the family head.  This will be difficult for me."  This is part victory, part failure.  I am buying a new car for the family as the old car is, well, getting old and with the current anti-pollution laws in Mexico City, has to spend 8 days a month off the roads.  The new car will be allowed on the roads 24/7/365, so it's much more practical.  However the car will be essentially for her, as I live close to work and go by bicycle to keep fit.  She wanted a big SUV, but that was way out of our budget.  She's getting a midsize car that meant I had to spend the money I had allocated to fly home to the UK to visit my family on the deposit and, frankly, the monthly payments are going to mean that we're living very frugally for the next 3 years.  There are elements of DHV in what I've done here, but I feel that there was quite a lot of DLV too.

    "I am going to go through a CBT workbook I have got on Assertiveness.  I think that may really help in all my life." Re-reading "When I say No I feel guilty" and finding it difficult to implement the strategies.  It's good at telling you how to say no, but not so good at how not to feel guilty.  I feel like a mean person when I stick up for myself and she makes it worse by making me feel like I'm even more mean. I shall keep at it.

    "I want to join a running club and bond with people who share my passion and joy in that."  I have found one, but it's so far away and at such an early hour.  I really would rather not get up at 5am at the weekend.

    The good thing is that I'm back at work now after a 6 week vacation.  All my coworkers are devastated that the vacation is over. I am so relieved.

  • Dragon72Dragon72 Mexico CityMember Posts: 77
    My wife has been sleeping in the same room as our son since he was born nearly 3 years ago.  Initially it was with him in a cot to the side of the double bed in that room that my wife slept in. Then, at about 18 months, she moved him into the bed, with the cot's wall's acting as a wall to stop him falling out.  I question the need for those "walls" as our son has never ever fallen out of the bed in his afternoon naps when the cot is not pulled up to the bed.

    Anyway, my wife's neice in law is about to have a baby and we loaned out the cot for them to use, as the cot was only being used by use to keep blankets in these days.
    I went to deliver the cot and when I got back, my wife had pulled the mattress off of the double bed and stood there asking me to dismantle the bed so that she could sleep with Jr on the floor.  Initially I said no, very firmly.  But her emotional manipulation about the welfare of our son got under my skin and, yet again, I ended up capitulating and did what she asked.  However, I told her while I was dismantling the bed that I feel it's a ridiculous situation where my wife and 3 year old kid are sleeping together on the floor.  She then said, "If you're going to be rude to me, I'll be rude to you too."  She took offense at the word "ridiculous".  She has not said another word to me since. 

    I feel like a chump.  Especially for the way I let her get under my skin and because I have let myself feel bad for the way she feels about me.
  • BlackwulfBlackwulf Leading the pack. Silver Member Posts: 1,782
    edited August 26

    You do realize it is you tolerating this?  That is the DLV.  Nothing is going to change until you truly confront this piece of the relationship.   You know it is intentional and honestly it is not all about physical attraction.

    Own it as ridiculous.  Your son is 3 years old.  He will likely cry like an infant at this point without mommy, but he has to be weaned from that.  There comes a point where it is damaging to your son.


    JellyBeanDaddyOhfrillyfunLeticia
  • AngelineAngeline planting seedsCategory Moderator** Posts: 14,501
    edited August 26
    You dismantled the marital bed so she could sleep with your son?
    "Speak your truth." - Scarlet
    Remember to play!
    Do the right thing, whether anyone is watching or not.
    Be married, until you are not.

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    BlackwulfWheelMan
  • Dragon72Dragon72 Mexico CityMember Posts: 77
    Angeline said:
    You dismantled the marital bed so she could sleep with your son?
    You're right in that I only have myself to blame.

    However, no, I didn't dismantle the marital bed so she could sleep with our son.  The marital bed is intact and I sleep in it alone every night.  There is a wife-shaped space in it and she is welcome to use it.  

    I dismantled our son's bed that my wife was already sleeping in so they could sleep on the floor because she thought that would be safer now that the cot, which had been acting as a barrier to him falling out, has gone. 
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