I would be willing to bet a million dollars he has some combination of the following going on:
affair (EA? PA?) low T porn
I will be straight with you. Even if there is no affair here, it will be a long, slow, very bumpy ride to try to turn this thing around. You will save yourself a lot of heartache if you (at least mentally) break it off.
Use the MAP process to improve yourself. The nominal goal of the MAP is to outrank your partner in order to force them to change or force some resolution to the relationship problem. The real goal of the MAP is to improve yourself to the point where you have so much value and confidence that you won't accept any more bad treatment.
Your man withholds intimacy and sex, doesn't give you to feel desired or protected, doesn't contribute financially. I'm not seeing any benefit to you to keep this guy in your life.
He always has time energy and strength for golf. Never any for me or our relationship. I know what his priorities are and I'm not one of them. I should be number one priority to him but I'm little number4. We used to have a rule that he would only golf every other Saturday so we would have time for us. That all went out the window since like March of this yr. He says he has to golf every saturday so he can win a place in the fedex cup tournament. I am so tired of banging my head against a wall, fighting for something that isnt there anymore. We have gone to the Dr and asked for a complete physical and blood work. His Dr did nothing but weigh him take his blood pressure and ask what problems he was having. He told him that he has no sexdrive. So the Dr gave him a referral for therapy. I have mentioned that maybe we should see a different Dr that will be willing to listen to us and do a physical and blood work.
I would understand your investment in this guy if you had been together for a long time, if you had a child together, if you had substantial joint assets, if he had been there to support you during your cancer treatments.
The level of dedication you have to this guy is way out of proportion to anything he gives to you.
I would understand your investment in this guy if you had been together for a long time, if you had a child together, if you had substantial joint assets, if he had been there to support you during your cancer treatments.
The level of dedication you have to this guy is way out of proportion to anything he gives to you.
^^Yes. Why are you with this guy? You spent a Saturday night/morning watching TV fuming at him. Please tell me how your life would be any worse if you decided to be single?
"How vain it is to sit down and write when you have not stood up to live."
Im glad that I cant have kids anymore and that we don't have one together. He is a very selfish person. It's all about him and what he wants and what makes him feel good. I have decided to think about me for once. Starting today I'm going to take my loosing weight more seriously. Going to go to a gym. I will continue to go to therapy with him. I probably wont be involved just like the last 2 but I will be there if needed. I going to put myself in a position where I can walk away with everything I need emotionally and physically if things between us dont change. I tired of feeling unwanted and undesired from someone who is supposed to love me and willing to do what it takes to make me happy.
You are a golf-widow. I am a horse-widower. When someone decides that (golf, horses, ping-pong or mumbly-peg) is more important to them than the PERSON who should be most important to them, then that person has no reason to stay in the relationship.
This is not to say that a person shouldn't have interests besides their relationship. It's when the outside interests become more important than the relationship that problems develop. Such people don't understand the difference between golf/horse time and relationship time and that both need nurturing.
Right now, you are a means to an end, you are the person who takes care of all the important stuff, like work and finances, so that he has a chance to go pretend he's Arnold Palmer and chase his fantasy. Just like my horse-loving princess ex-wife.
The relationship doesn't matter to him. You don't matter to him. What he gets from the relationship - without giving anything back, allows him to do what matters to him - play golf. You are not a person to him, you are a thing.
The man who gives his woman everything ends up with nothing. Not even the woman.
So the therapist sent him an email asking him to try something called Sensate Focus. Ok I read what this was about and what we were to do. I find it very strange that he wants us to do activities where we only have naked sensual touch for weeks no genital touching. We can't have any kind of sexual contact for weeks. If we get aroused we can't ask for sex. If needing release we can masterbate. We increase the touch every 3 weeks and by stage 3 about week 9 or so we can introduce penetration but there is to be no movement and again if anyone gets aroused you can only masterbate. We don't have any problems with being naked together or sensually touching one another without touching our genitals. So my question is if we are seeing him because we aren't having sex then why in the hell would he be wanting us to do exercises that have us not having sex?? Does this sound like a load of crap to anyone else???
Sensate Focus is the standard sex therapy exercise for people to get back in touch with their bodies. However a bunch of other problems need to be screened out first: medical problems, problems cause by other medications he may be taking, stress, porn, and relationship issues.
Also it doesn't seem right to introduce this, with an email, following a session that you weren't present at, so you haven't even been told about it. That's pretty much ridiculous.
Enneagram type 5 w6.
If I offer lots of advice, it's probably really me giving advice to myself. That always seems to happen.
I agree I dont feel as if this relationship or myself matters to him. Believe me we have had many arguments about making time for golf and not fir me or our relationship. After awhile you just have to realize that you're not important or a priority and no amount of arguing will change that. Its not that I wasnt present in the last session the therapist never called me back. It pissed me off and made me feel as if it wasnt about us. They spent 5 to 10 minutes talking about us. The question asked was how often do you have sex. His answer was every 2 or 3 months. I feel that all of it is ridiculous.
My life wouldnt be any worse if I were single. I believe it would be better. I wouldn't be walking around all the time wondering when the man I love that is suppose to love will pull his head out of his ass and have sex with me. I wouldnt wouldn't be angry and pisses off all the time. I get angrier and angrier every day that passes that we dont have sex or that he doesnt make any effort to. Or have my kids ask me whats wrong everytime I see them. After I left my ex husband I didn't have sex for over 7 yrs. It didnt kill me then it sure and the hell wont kill me again. At least I'd know why I wouldnt be having sex if I was single again.
I agree I dont feel as if this relationship or myself matters to him. Believe me we have had many arguments about making time for golf and not fir me or our relationship. After awhile you just have to realize that you're not important or a priority and no amount of arguing will change that. Its not that I wasnt present in the last session the therapist never called me back. It pissed me off and made me feel as if it wasnt about us. They spent 5 to 10 minutes talking about us. The question asked was how often do you have sex. His answer was every 2 or 3 months. I feel that all of it is ridiculous.
That right there^^^^ never argue about the relationship period!!! Make yourself the best you you can be. If he doesn't change, next him!! You have a lot going for you. Stick around here and start a thread in the running the map section. I'm with the others here, if he isn't really bringing anything or puting any effort into the relationship, why keep him? You said you're going to work on your weight. We'll hold you accountable to doing that. Read the fitness food and health section, lots of great info there. You can do this as long as you have the fortitude to do so, do you?
I can do anything I put my mind to. I've come through cancer a stronger woman. If he isnt willing to put forth the effort needed. Then I will put forth the effort needed to walk away. I will look into the food fitness and health. I deserve to be happy.
I'm listening to an interesting Podcast. The guest is Kevin Plank, founder and ceo of Under Armour. His office motto is "We can do anything, but we can't do everything".
Pick your battles. And go 100% all out.
"How vain it is to sit down and write when you have not stood up to live."
If he's not having sex with you then he's likely banging another female. Youre fooling yourself if you believe he's not having sex. This relationship isn't going to work like this. I think you're wasting time with this dude. @JellyBean is very smart. This guy isn't offering u a single thing worth staying for. You should listen to her. This man your with is a huge DLV in all aspects. Stop wasting your time and be with a man who is front and centre every day and can lead.
Into Phase 3..
Those Who Dare......Win. "What gives you fear today...Gives you Strength tomorrow.."
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Have you read/watched any of Athol's work?
If not, I **strongly** suggest you read The Mindful Attraction Plan. The book has two sections:
How to make yourself the best you possible. It covers everything, from getting healthy to expressing your personality.
A 7 step plan for moving through your relationship problems. I say "moving through" because you can't always fix things ... but you can run through this plan and if the relationship dissolves, you'll know you did everything you could to fix it.
Even though we're a marriage site, nobody here would fault you if you kicked your partner out. If you don't, run both parts of a MAP — make yourself on the outside the awesome person you are inside, and resolve your relationship.
By the way, giving him more of what he wants is not a solution. "Why buy a cow when the milk is free?" He already has the life he wants; he has no reason to change. As part of your MAP, you'll be providing the reason. He won't be happy ... that's part of the process.
Enneagram 5w4. I'm researching what that means, before designing t-shirt art about it.
"I feel no shame in making lavish use of the strongest muscles, namely male ones (but my own strongest muscle is dedicated to the service of men - noblesse oblige). I don't begrudge men one whit of their natural advantages as long as they respect mine. I am not an unhappy pseudomale; I am female and like it that way." RAH
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His actions are a reflection of his priorities.
Every time he shoots you down for medical ask him what he plans to do about it. Talking really isn't going to solve anything.
affair (EA? PA?)
low T
porn
I will be straight with you. Even if there is no affair here, it will be a long, slow, very bumpy ride to try to turn this thing around. You will save yourself a lot of heartache if you (at least mentally) break it off.
Use the MAP process to improve yourself. The nominal goal of the MAP is to outrank your partner in order to force them to change or force some resolution to the relationship problem. The real goal of the MAP is to improve yourself to the point where you have so much value and confidence that you won't accept any more bad treatment.
Your man withholds intimacy and sex, doesn't give you to feel desired or protected, doesn't contribute financially. I'm not seeing any benefit to you to keep this guy in your life.
We have gone to the Dr and asked for a complete physical and blood work. His Dr did nothing but weigh him take his blood pressure and ask what problems he was having. He told him that he has no sexdrive. So the Dr gave him a referral for therapy. I have mentioned that maybe we should see a different Dr that will be willing to listen to us and do a physical and blood work.
The level of dedication you have to this guy is way out of proportion to anything he gives to you.
Why are you with this guy?
You spent a Saturday night/morning watching TV fuming at him.
Please tell me how your life would be any worse if you decided to be single?
I'll add to the run like your hair is on fire pile on.
Yes it's probably fixable, but it's a slog, and he brings nothing to the party.
Should you opt to stay with him Serenity's book will help you immensely.
" I going to put myself in a position where I can walk away with everything I need emotionally and physically if things between us dont change."
This is not to say that a person shouldn't have interests besides their relationship. It's when the outside interests become more important than the relationship that problems develop. Such people don't understand the difference between golf/horse time and relationship time and that both need nurturing.
Right now, you are a means to an end, you are the person who takes care of all the important stuff, like work and finances, so that he has a chance to go pretend he's Arnold Palmer and chase his fantasy. Just like my horse-loving princess ex-wife.
The relationship doesn't matter to him. You don't matter to him. What he gets from the relationship - without giving anything back, allows him to do what matters to him - play golf. You are not a person to him, you are a thing.
Sensate Focus is the standard sex therapy exercise for people to get back in touch with their bodies. However a bunch of other problems need to be screened out first: medical problems, problems cause by other medications he may be taking, stress, porn, and relationship issues.
Also it doesn't seem right to introduce this, with an email, following a session that you weren't present at, so you haven't even been told about it. That's pretty much ridiculous.
Its not that I wasnt present in the last session the therapist never called me back. It pissed me off and made me feel as if it wasnt about us. They spent 5 to 10 minutes talking about us. The question asked was how often do you have sex. His answer was every 2 or 3 months. I feel that all of it is ridiculous.
Stick around here and start a thread in the running the map section.
I'm with the others here, if he isn't really bringing anything or puting any effort into the relationship, why keep him?
You said you're going to work on your weight. We'll hold you accountable to doing that. Read the fitness food and health section, lots of great info there.
You can do this as long as you have the fortitude to do so, do you?
Pick your battles. And go 100% all out.
Youre fooling yourself if you believe he's not having sex.
This relationship isn't going to work like this. I think you're wasting time with this dude. @JellyBean is very smart. This guy isn't offering u a single thing worth staying for. You should listen to her. This man your with is a huge DLV in all aspects. Stop wasting your time and be with a man who is front and centre every day and can lead.
Into Phase 3..
Those Who Dare......Win. "What gives you fear today...Gives you Strength tomorrow.."If not, I **strongly** suggest you read The Mindful Attraction Plan. The book has two sections:
- How to make yourself the best you possible. It covers everything, from getting healthy to expressing your personality.
- A 7 step plan for moving through your relationship problems. I say "moving through" because you can't always fix things ... but you can run through this plan and if the relationship dissolves, you'll know you did everything you could to fix it.
Even though we're a marriage site, nobody here would fault you if you kicked your partner out. If you don't, run both parts of a MAP — make yourself on the outside the awesome person you are inside, and resolve your relationship.By the way, giving him more of what he wants is not a solution. "Why buy a cow when the milk is free?" He already has the life he wants; he has no reason to change. As part of your MAP, you'll be providing the reason. He won't be happy ... that's part of the process.
Enneagram 5w4. I'm researching what that means, before designing t-shirt art about it.
"I feel no shame in making lavish use of the strongest muscles, namely male ones (but my own strongest muscle is dedicated to the service of men - noblesse oblige). I don't begrudge men one whit of their natural advantages as long as they respect mine. I am not an unhappy pseudomale; I am female and like it that way." RAH
Fate favors the prepared.