Fat Mamas

Linanati

@Maria ; The bad posture ... what's up with that?  It seems like a lot of younger women and girls really are not trying to present themselves at their best.  They slouch around all over the place (in public!) and barely pick up their feet when they walk.  Plus a lot of them dress like slobs and chronically wear sour facial expressions. 

I don't know why the young guys are going for that.  They ought to compete for the girls who at least try, and if they can't get one of those, resort to porn and the hand.  Masturbation is better than being with a fugly who has a bad attitude.  It's unbelievable the hoops some guys jump through to be with an ugly, bitchy fatty.

AnonJohn

Linanati said:

@Maria ; The bad posture ... what's up with that?  It seems like a lot of younger women and girls really are not trying to present themselves at their best.  They slouch around all over the place (in public!) and barely pick up their feet when they walk.  Plus a lot of them dress like slobs and chronically wear sour facial expressions. 

I don't know why the young guys are going for that.  They ought to compete for the girls who at least try, and if they can't get one of those, resort to porn and the hand.  Masturbation is better than being with a fugly who has a bad attitude.  It's unbelievable the hoops some guys jump through to be with an ugly, bitchy fatty.

they are not.  well, at least in game circles, there is outright shaming of that behavior.  young men are starting to come to the realization that young women these days dont bring much to the table and aren't trying enough to make them worth their while.

though, game believers will say that is because of all the schleppy beta boys out there that put up with that shit.

Linanati

@MissusP

Yes, it takes work to be 300lbs.  I don't know how they find time to shove that much fast food and junk food down their gullets, but somehow they do.  Imagine the dedication that takes!  The times they must deprive themselves of healthy food and exercise so they can put in the effort to keep their weight up!  It's like being an athlete.

AnonJohn

MissusP said:

There's always somebody less attractive out there that makes me feel better about myself...more motivating is looking at the really gorgeous gals who keep themselves looking great. I am fortunate to have won the genetic lottery by having a normal metabolic rate, and would like to take credit for my weight because I work out and eat well. But current obesity research does not support the Puritan work ethic view of weight: eat less, exercise more. It's a much more complex process than that, which is why it truly is an obesity epidemic. I have a lot of sympathy for those who struggle with their weight, especially because I know they're working a lot harder to control it than I am. I understand the desire to berate the obese, they're an easy target, but couldn't we just kick puppies instead?

while calories in calories out isn't always necessarily the cause, there are hormonal factors at work as well, you can actually change those hormonal responses through dietary methods.

but be honest, show me a morbidly obese person who eats a couple of eggs and a piece of fruit for breakfast, a salad with chicken (no creamy dressings) for lunch and fish and veggies for dinner.

there isn't one.  its just not happening.

obesity as it presents itself as an epidemic is more about drinking mountain dew, eating french fries, "Sweet tooths" and alcohol consumption than anything else at all.  

why, then, are there geographic and socioeconomic areas that have differing obesity rates?  wouldn't "genetic" causes be nondiscriminatory to income or location?

no, it is because of lack of information, lack of desire and in many cases, an outright active discounting of what a healthy lifestyle includes.

being obese is largely a lifestyle choice and that is one i can not support.

being 30 lbs overweight when you are a 28 year old woman, unacceptable as well.  

PhoenixDown

MissusP said:

There's always somebody less attractive out there that makes me feel better about myself...more motivating is looking at the really gorgeous gals who keep themselves looking great. I am fortunate to have won the genetic lottery by having a normal metabolic rate, and would like to take credit for my weight because I work out and eat well. But current obesity research does not support the Puritan work ethic view of weight: eat less, exercise more. It's a much more complex process than that, which is why it truly is an obesity epidemic. I have a lot of sympathy for those who struggle with their weight, especially because I know they're working a lot harder to control it than I am. I understand the desire to berate the obese, they're an easy target, but couldn't we just kick puppies instead?

It's really hard for me to believe that most obese women are actually trying to exercise and eat right, or have at least given it a try for more than a week... Barring a thyroid condition, exercise and diet are enough to AT LEAST get you from "obese" to just "overweight". Laziness and believing that men have to love them for "who they are" plays a huge part. 

shanna_banana

I have to say, I took my daughter and several of the gymnasts from her team to a local waterpark over the weekend. 
We were the 1 percent there. EVERYONE was fat. Even the little kids, with the exception of Asian families, I noticed.
I am not kicking puppies. The kids might be like puppies, but the adults are not. These are grown adults making poor/uninformed choices and passing them on to their kids. The kids are not driving themselves to the fast food places nor are they grocery shopping.
I am shocked at what America looks like.

Linanati

@AnonJohn

Too many guys have really low standards for women they date, and even marry.  Hopefully the internet will turn that around.

OTOH, so many women being so fat makes me look a lot better.  )

fredless

I subscribe to the belief that you can assess one's priorities by one's actions/behaviors--not necessarily by their words.

For example, I say I would like to be good at guitar.  I take lessons with my two sons.  However, I do not consistently practice or put the full effort into guitar that I need to become good.  Therefore, I honestly have to say that it is not a priority at this time in my life to become good at playing guitar.

If a person is significantly overweight, his/her appearance/health/fitness level is simply not a priority--no matter what s/he may say. 

Danceny

shanna_banana said:

with the exception of Asian families

Yep.  And what do they eat?  White rice.  Tons of it.

AnonJohn

@missusp

what does hubby make of the socioeconomic and geographic disparities in obesity?

are "hormones" sensitive to how much money you make or where you live?

the logic about gastric bypass surgery impacting hormones is flawed.  

what you EAT impacts hormones and in what quantities you it.

when you talk about "Set" points you the point at which people dont get any fatter?  at some point we become limited in time and resources to consume products.

you're telling me that if 100 people all at 2000 calories a day of proteins and vegetables that some of those people would inexplicably become obese while others do not?

but again, how is it that geography and socioeconomics seem to have such an impact on obesity?

AnonJohn

@missusp

i also just read a very detailed study on the impact of gastro bypass surgery and other similar procedures where the authors conclude that diet is actually the main factor in determining success of these surgeries.  due to disparities in success rates, where in europe success is higher but in the US success rate in keeping people thin even by shrinking their stomach, or rerouting their digestive tracks to avoid nutrient absorption, is due to diet!

PhoenixDown

AnonJohn said:

@missusp

i also just read a very detailed study on the impact of gastro bypass surgery and other similar procedures where the authors conclude that diet is actually the main factor in determining success of these surgeries.  

Hell, I don't need a study to see that. I have two acquaintances that had lap band surgery, and continued with the same diet. Guess how much weight they lost? Hell, I think one of them even gained more.

LL80

As someone who lost 70 pounds once upon a time, it's really not that complicated.  I spent a long time wondering why I was fat.  As though I was just like everyone else and yet somehow I was overweight and they weren't.  I wish I could go back and be like, do you want a list?  Can you say poor eating habits?  And I'd explain to myself that Pepsi wasn't the same as water.  So having been on both sides I do not buy the argument that they "can't" lose weight or they've "tried everything."  I felt like I'd "tried everything" but see it doesn't work if you try for a week if you're lucky and then get mad that you didn't lose 20 pounds already and then just go get that extra value meal at McDonalds you were thinking about.  It is SO easy to make excuses and blame anyone but you even though you'll be just fine if you take control of the situation and just start making eating right and exercising a priority. 

I do think that lack of education on nutrition is huge, as is a vast amount of misinformation.  Or just misinterpreted information.  I think there are a lot of people out there who walk into a Whole Foods and automatically assume that anything they buy there is healthy.  Sure, there are a lot of good choices, but even if that granola is all natural and/or gluten free and made without high fructose corn syrup doesn't change the fact that it's still 400 calories per cup... which is probably a smaller serving than most people would think to take.  Whole grain bread is still bread and still calorie dense, french fries are technically vegan and some yogurt is actually worse for you than lots of regular ice cream.  I really think we need to do a much better job about educating people on this stuff and teaching them about using food as preventative medicine.  Most people just have no idea.

Joskin_Nodd

@RedPillWifey: "Hell, I don't need a study to see that. I have two acquaintances that had lap band surgery, and continued with the same diet. Guess how much weight they lost? Hell, I think one of them even gained more."

There are no magic bullets. It's an ongoing battle with the dopamine saying: Must. Eat. More.

Obviously, it's a battle that can be won, but it's a tough one. 

Rico

you're telling me that if 100 people all at 2000 calories a day of proteins and vegetables that some of those people would inexplicably become obese while others do not?

While there's always an exception to the rule, this is an excellent point.  Sure, there might be hormonal issues at play, but in many cases these things can be cleared up by a visit to an endocrinologist.  

The truth is, most people who can't lose weight just have terrible diets.  They don't know what to eat and what to avoid.  They don't track their intake, and assume they eat much less than they actually do.  They look at a carton of ice cream, see that a 1/2 cup serving is only 180 calories, then proceed to fill a cereal bowl with 3-4 servings worth, never realizing that a half cup of is not very much at all.

I'm only 20 pounds overweight, and I can easily take in 3-4,000 calories in a day of processed junk if I'm not paying attention.  

Joskin_Nodd

@RedPillNewb:"Hell, I don't need a study to see that. I have two acquaintances that had lap band surgery, and continued with the same diet. Guess how much weight they lost? Hell, I think one of them even gained more."

That would be nice. Alas, they aren't all the same dopamine/receptor pairs, so you can condition them to crave more and more sweets and fats with bad food, just like you can condition yourself to crave more and more extreme porn or more and more gambling thrills, etc. 

I find keeping in mind that the dopamine cravings give me bad food advice useful, though. "Do you want to enjoy your next meal, or do you want to listen to some brain chemicals engineered for paleolithic times and end up with indigestion all night?"

Alas, when we are young, and our brains are highly plastic, we often condition ourselves to eat crappy food, and lots of it, because we have access to it and it's a quick way to get a dopamine hit. Not everybody goes down that path, but I think it tends to be an ongoing struggle for men and women who ate poorly when they were young, and permanently set the ruts for that behavior in their brain. Now, older, many of them know what they need to be doing, but still end up eating a quart of ice cream at midnight as the dopamine is screaming at them. "You're hungry! There's food available! Eat! Eat!" 

Linanati

Every person I know who has had gastric bypass surgery has gained the weight back - because they didn't change their diet and exercise.  Also, some people end up not being able to absorb certain nutrients afterwards.  One woman I know has brittle bones now because of poor nutrient absorption after her gastric bypass.

It takes more effort to change to a healthy lifestyle, but most things worth having do take a little effort.

AnonJohn

from what i've read they end up eating slightly different foods, actually.  "soft calories" like milkshakes and other things..they actually devise ways to overcome the physical limitation on caloric consumption...that they underwent a surgery to have implemented!

when i walk down the street and see a fat mom and dad with two fat kids it just makes me angry

Joskin_Nodd

@AnonJohn: "when i walk down the street and see a fat mom and dad with two fat kids it just makes me angry"

Yes, yes, you hate fat people, how lovely for you. 

I think we've got that now. 

AnonJohn

Joskin_Nodd said:

@AnonJohn: "when i walk down the street and see a fat mom and dad with two fat kids it just makes me angry"

Yes, yes, you hate fat people, how lovely for you. 

I think we've got that now. 

angry for the poor kids.  its like being born into a racist family, where the kids are taught hate.  in this case it just hate for themselves by failing to take care of their health.