Moody blues and shit tests

makermaker PEIMember Posts: 34
So today the wife is helping my in-laws on their house, my 5yo daughter is down the road having a playdate. Great I think, a Sunday with my little guy to do what we want basically.  After going for a run this morning and coming back to the family already done eating breakfast (9:00am, some kind of record!)  I take my son with me after doing some work around the house this morning for a drive to my Dad's cabin.  We spend the afternoon there and she has a kid free day with her parents helping them build.

She's home at 5:30pm, I cook supper, go down the road to help a friend with their chickens, come back read my daughter stories and she tries to get our 14 month old son to sleep.  It doesn't work, she comes downstairs and says "He wants to go to sleep with you, he told me"  I laugh cause he can't talk and I think she is being cute.  She goes to the kitchen and starts cleaning (unasked! another record!) and I start downloading the photos and video I took today of our field trip.

Wife is getting snippy.  After our son gets into the dog food dish, she snaps "Why is the dog dish still on the floor."  I get up and move it after getting my boys hands out of it.  Wrong move there I know. After 20 minutes I take the boy upstairs to see if he will settle for me, no go, not happening.  So I take him back downstairs, try to keep him occupied while wife is doing dishes.  She starts sending really pissy vibes.  I am staying cool and positive.  I ask her about her plans for tomorrow, whether she needs the car, she responds defensively and with clipped tone.  I ignore it.

She then starts talking to our 14 month old son who is getting a little more tired and cranky; "I know your tired honey, go put yourself to bed, take yourself upstairs, open the gate somehow and put yourself in your bed..."

I laugh and say; "are you trying to say something?"

She replies; "I already asked you to put him to bed." Sullen stare.

I reply; "I already tried, he wasn't going to go, I suppose I could have forced the issue and had him cry for an hour till he got exhausted and fell asleep.  I decided that wasn't the best option."  And go back to what I was doing.  Our son is still wired but getting sleepier, running from the kitchen to me to his toys in a circuit.  When I think he's tired out enough for me to put him to sleep I take him up and put him down.

Meanwhile wife decides to go upstairs and fold laundry in our room after more sullen looks.  There she remains while I type this up.  I am not sure what got up her ass and I am not sure I handled it right, I felt like telling her if she wants to sulk like a two year old I will treat her like one.

Thoughts?
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  • KheldarKheldar IndianaSilver Member Posts: 1,565
    She wants the kid to sleep. She's frustrated that it's not happening. She can't take it out on him, so she's taking it out on you. 
  • makermaker PEIMember Posts: 34
    No shit.

    How best to handle that though?
  • neenneen Member Posts: 3,390
    Do you guys do a bath before bed time for the baby? What's the night time routine?
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  • KheldarKheldar IndianaSilver Member Posts: 1,565
    maker said:
    No shit.

    How best to handle that though?
    Break the fourth wall. Tell her, "Look, I know you're upset because you want the kid to sleep. I want that too. But it's just not in the cards right now. You're frustrated and you're taking it out on me. Knock it off."
    BrianCTiberiusAngeline
  • Im_a_ManIm_a_Man CanadaSilver Member Posts: 878
    edited September 2013
    She said in a good natured tone ""He wants to go to sleep with you, he told me" 

    She's trying not to be the captain and requests you to take care of the boy. As a trade off she wants quiet while she does the dishes.

    Her subtlety was lost on you and she didn't want to have to give you a direct order. She's the unwilling Captain. Damn right she got snippy.


    SerenityAngeline
  • ElaineElaine Silver Member Posts: 1,580
    My guess is that her parents pushed all her patience buttons before she ever even got to your house. They probably bossed her around the entire time and she had no control or input.  She is just taking that frustration out on you most likely. She was acting like a child because that was how she had been treated all day.  I know if I spent all day on a building project with my parents I would need A LOT of liquor and sex to bang it out of my memory and de-stress.  Explaining it doesn't excuse it though. Call her out on her passive aggressive bullshit.  After the take yourself upstairs comment about your son I would have not been as kind as you. 
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  • SteveDallasSteveDallas Member Posts: 391
    Im_a_Man said:
    She said in a good natured tone ""He wants to go to sleep with you, he told me" 

    She's trying not to be the captain and requests you to take care of the boy. As a trade off she wants quiet while she does the dishes.

    Her subtlety was lost on you and she didn't want to have to give you a direct order. She's the unwilling Captain. Damn right she got snippy.


    Sounds to me like she didn't want to put the effort into getting him down so she wanted you to do it instead. My impression is that she went to the kitchen so you were left with the child be default.

    That isn't captain, that is p/a lazy.
    redheaded_womanmaker
  • makermaker PEIMember Posts: 34
    Im_a_Man said:
    She said in a good natured tone ""He wants to go to sleep with you, he told me" 

    She's trying not to be the captain and requests you to take care of the boy. As a trade off she wants quiet while she does the dishes.

    Her subtlety was lost on you and she didn't want to have to give you a direct order. She's the unwilling Captain. Damn right she got snippy.


    Except it wasn't good natured, it was deadpan.  Also, she never does the dishes, ever.
  • makermaker PEIMember Posts: 34
    Elaine said:
    My guess is that her parents pushed all her patience buttons before she ever even got to your house. They probably bossed her around the entire time and she had no control or input.  She is just taking that frustration out on you most likely. She was acting like a child because that was how she had been treated all day.  I know if I spent all day on a building project with my parents I would need A LOT of liquor and sex to bang it out of my memory and de-stress.  Explaining it doesn't excuse it though. Call her out on her passive aggressive bullshit.  After the take yourself upstairs comment about your son I would have not been as kind as you. 
    No, working with her parents is a dream, she loves working with them and her step-Dad is a carpenter and a good teacher.  She never has problems working with them.
  • makermaker PEIMember Posts: 34
    Im_a_Man said:
    She said in a good natured tone ""He wants to go to sleep with you, he told me" 

    She's trying not to be the captain and requests you to take care of the boy. As a trade off she wants quiet while she does the dishes.

    Her subtlety was lost on you and she didn't want to have to give you a direct order. She's the unwilling Captain. Damn right she got snippy.


    Sounds to me like she didn't want to put the effort into getting him down so she wanted you to do it instead. My impression is that she went to the kitchen so you were left with the child be default.

    Yeah, she never does the dishes, I think the only reason she decided too was so she didn't have to deal with our son.  I was OK with her doing the dishes, I was OK with running interference with our son and playing with him.  I wasn't OK with the tone and the p/a orders from her.
  • BrianCBrianC Oshawa, ONGold Men Posts: 3,138
    And here I was hoping we'd be talking 70s prog-rock...



    In all seriousness, this is her taking out her frustrations on you.  It doesn't matter what has her frustrated or what you did.  She wanted to be bitchy so she was bitchy.  There is nothing you could have done to avoid it.  You could have been superhuman and cleaned the whole house in under a minute, hypnotized your children into sleep, and made her a four-course meal and it would not have mattered.  Don't look for what you could have done better there, down that road lies madness.

    What could have been done better is calling her out on it.  As @Kheldar suggested, the way to handle this is to say something like:

    "I don't know what you've chosen to be angry about, but whatever it is, its your choice.  I'm not your punching bag."

    And as to the subtlety of her communication styles, don't sweat trying to read her.  She can ask for what she wants.  The best way to deal with passive-aggressive people is to give them what they ask for and nothing more.  If it keeps up try leading her to communicate:

    "I'm guess in by the way you keep grumbling about X that you want me to do Y, but I am not sure.  If there's something that I can do for you, I'd love to hear about it."

    Making sure communication happens on your terms is a good Alpha measure.

    Many women are used to dealing with other women who intuit what they need and give it to them before any verbal communication is used.  Women really do have an intuition for this rooted in the way their Mirror Neuron System is configured - it isn't just an old wives' tale.  Men instead are wired to sense hostility and threat in others - we aren't very good at anticipating what others need that way.

    For many women they have this idea that perfect love means never having to ask thanks to these tendencies.  But as long as a man is judged by those standards, he will always come up short.  The only way to get around this is to make sure she doesn't expect that intuitiveness in the first place - to make sure she knows she is in a relationship with a Man, and she has to change what she expects.

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  • SerenitySerenity Senior Moderator** Posts: 11,358
    Your problem is that your 14-month old was the Captain in your house last night. You need to take control of that.

    http://marriedmansexlife.com/2010/07/being-the-alpha-male-of-the-family-group/

    Kheldar said:
    She wants the kid to sleep. She's frustrated that it's not happening. She can't take it out on him, so she's taking it out on you. 
    maker[Deleted User]liquidGuitarslinger
  • makermaker PEIMember Posts: 34
    BrianC said:
    Don't look for what you could have done better there, down that road lies madness.

    What could have been done better is calling her out on it.  As @Kheldar suggested, the way to handle this is to say something like:

    "I don't know what you've chosen to be angry about, but whatever it is, its your choice.  I'm not your punching bag."

    And as to the subtlety of her communication styles, don't sweat trying to read her.  She can ask for what she wants.  The best way to deal with passive-aggressive people is to give them what they ask for and nothing more.  If it keeps up try leading her to communicate:

    "I'm guess in by the way you keep grumbling about X that you want me to do Y, but I am not sure.  If there's something that I can do for you, I'd love to hear about it."

    Making sure communication happens on your terms is a good Alpha measure.

    Yeah I guess I was wondering for thoughts on how I handled my response to it.
  • makermaker PEIMember Posts: 34
    So after I went to bed, ignoring her negative behaviour and keeping it cool and light, we both go to sleep.  2:30am she wakes up having a panic attack she says.  She's groggy and isn't articulating it well but says something about her mind not being in the right place or something to that effect (It was late I was groggy too...)  She grabs my hand and puts it on her chest and asks me if I can feel her heart racing.  I am tired so I hold her and comfort her to calm her down and we both fall back asleep.

    Got up late for work this morning and actually forgot all about this till right now....
  • makermaker PEIMember Posts: 34
    Chief_TC said:

    I feel like your wife was frustrated and asked you for help, but you didn't hear her question. Not a big fail on your part though, it happens. You might tell her that if she would like your help with something to be more direct next time and lose the attitude. 

    I did hear her question, and I did take our son up to try and put him down, it wasn't going to happen.  He had too long a nap that afternoon.  

  • BrianCBrianC Oshawa, ONGold Men Posts: 3,138
    @maker, now Panic Anxiety is something I can speak to, and it colours the situation a bit.

    This is an old piece I wrote here on the topic that may help.

    If someone is suffering from an episode of Generalized Anxiety, their feelings are all over the place, and it is scaring them.  They may be afraid that they are going crazy, or hat they are going to act on a dark thought or otherwise lose their shit.  Any emotional stimulus gets magnified a thousandfold.  Molehills become mountains, and a toddler who won't go to bed and needs to run around may as well be Godzilla attacking the house.

    It probably explains the dish-washing.  If she was in a mode of high anxiety she may well have been trying to get her distorted thoughts under control by doing something.  It may have worked for her in the past, but distraction is not a consistently effective tool.

    If this is a regular problem or might turn into one, look for some professional help.  Anxiety disorders are curable in most cases.

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  • makermaker PEIMember Posts: 34
    She came downstairs after putting the toddler to bed last night looking haggard and I hugged her and asked how she was feeling.  She just muttered "stupid baby" and went to turn on the TV.

    This from a woman who last week was bringing up having another baby.

    Anyways, I had done some drive-bys last night and earlier in the evening, the house was clean, laundry done, we were in bed and I initiated.  We haven't had sex since August 29th.  Not even on our anniversary two weeks ago.  She had snuggled in close when she got in bed and when I tried to initiate she firmly broke contact and said "I live you" and pulled away.

    I found it hard to be OI but tried.

    I think I need to focus on working on myself before turning up the heat on the sex front...
  • KheldarKheldar IndianaSilver Member Posts: 1,565

    maker said:
    She came downstairs after putting the toddler to bed last night looking haggard and I hugged her and asked how she was feeling.  She just muttered "stupid baby" and went to turn on the TV.

    This from a woman who last week was bringing up having another baby.

    Anyways, I had done some drive-bys last night and earlier in the evening, the house was clean, laundry done, we were in bed and I initiated.  We haven't had sex since August 29th.  Not even on our anniversary two weeks ago.  She had snuggled in close when she got in bed and when I tried to initiate she firmly broke contact and said "I live you" and pulled away.

    I found it hard to be OI but tried.

    I think I need to focus on working on myself before turning up the heat on the sex front...
    Baby purgatory is just a rough time. My theory is that the best you can hope for on the sex front when babies (the biggest vampires of them all!) are involved is "do no harm." It's probably not going to get better during this period, but it sure as hell can get worse. Don't be a pushover or a beta schlub; but be especially careful of the asshole alpha as well. I want to be cautious of the blue pill stuff; but when the babies are tiny, it really is a time when being tired can be something other than a hamster excuse or a case of misplaced priorities.

    Also, pro-tip: "stupid baby" is comedy gold. Riffing on how babies do dumb stuff because they aren't very bright has been a great source of laughter in my family.
    Angeline
  • makermaker PEIMember Posts: 34
    The problem in my head is that this started before babies, and in between babies when breastfeeding stopped.  So it's hard for me to differentiate the plausable denial of sex now because of babies from the other times.
  • KheldarKheldar IndianaSilver Member Posts: 1,565
    maker said:
    The problem in my head is that this started before babies, and in between babies when breastfeeding stopped.  So it's hard for me to differentiate the plausable denial of sex now because of babies from the other times.
    I hear that. Real reasons layered on top of pre-existing bullshit excuses make things tough to navigate. Good luck!
    liquid
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